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re good the novel I never get lost it

//coky
30 January 2008 at 1:56 pm

it is the best I it continue that all for what he would ask is the time that they it put the whole entire week to this alone schedule there is pelis plis it is very entertaining but 2 ias I drive myself to despair for seeing it plis it put the whole diaaa

thank you I love the cast I believe that they chose re well all roman lasts!!!!!

//valentina 
30 January 2008 at 4:04 pm

Hello!!! this good muii!! in fact I it look porq at m the doorman Roman loves!!! it is re Pretty ii m loves the role d fool q does! esta muii buena!! en realidad lo miro porq m encanta el portero Roman!!! es re Lindo ii m encanta el papel d bobo q hace!
Besitos!

//Mariiii 
31 January 2008 at 8:54 pm

the novel is very entertaining, this good re, we like all the personages especially gay and the manager, we them always see a kiss, the best.lali is and pame of necochea pcia of bs grasp

//pame and lali
3 February 2008 at 7:02 pm

I love quite it q you set ^^
And Here not there living who is my favorite program
I love Roman! I love it!
and thank you very much for the info that you put ^^
What it spends is that they make dirty muChoo xD

//Cami
3 February 2008 at 10:43 pm

Hello can anyone say to me how is it called the fact that they gave another this day of terror? that was something of: the cuartito of above or something like that. if someone says to me I am grateful for it thank you el cuartito de arriba o algo asi. si alguno me dice se lo agradezco gracias

//lautaro
9 February 2008 at 5:39 am

Hello Lautaro, I inform you that in the original version (Spain) it is called “One Was one of fear” that one agreed but here it could have changed and I was calling “the cuartito of above”
Greetings and we wait for your return

//Arcibel (author)
9 February 2008 at 12:06 pm

The program fascinates me, I hope anxious every Thursday and every Tuesday!!
I love Román!! His personage is original and he has a special sweetness …
Also I love the couple of Lucía and Fede, that also it looks like to me a much hit way of reflecting the behavior that there have the man and the woman of the current world.

//Shezykah...!!
9 February 2008 at 4:56 pm

madman breaks it jajaj the chapter of the recordings of terror was the best ajja the truth very well
it breaks it breaks it I hope that is still like that we meet the people

© 2000-2008, Costy R, all rights reserved

//costyyy record`s 
13 February 2008 at 7:23 pm

I want to see vidios drawings rascals pelis series and these things. I am 9 years old and poreso I say that this ciao I wait that the consiguais

//esther
19 February 2008 at 3:01 pm

Holaaaaaaa!! hermosaa the novel loves from qe in weight very good, a kiss to romann!?!! the adoroo!! act very well ^^ well I go away besoo chau!!? stop every week for fas!!!??!! lo adoroo !! actúa muy bien ^^ bueno me voy besoo chau!!? dejen la todas la semanas por fas !!! ?

//amili 
20 February 2008 at 12:06 pm

buenisimooooooooo m loved I do not stop seeing it I like all the prsonajes bsos bye

//whore 
22 February 2008 at 9:30 am

This one regood the series I never get lost it put it every day it is my favorite program

//pablo 
1 March 2008 at 12:07 pm

I love this series because it is entertained i quando I her see me river many bezasos love you

//rosana 
29 March 2008 at 6:27 am

This series is very good, it kills me of the laugh. the doorman is a boss! jejej jejej

//cristian
19 August 2008 at 11:48 pm

Introduction

Before starting with my explanations, this analysis takes a small time to accept it. We can accept an idea, but it will be difficult to apply it. It is necessary to emphasize that I will try to be centralized in Nietzsche, (for me) by a big German philosopher of the XIXth century who wrote big works related to the metaphysics. Between one of his aphorisms (this way it was calling it to his thoughts) the one that it will treat will be of the love in the society. The decía “Most of the philosophies has been invented to accommodate our feelings to the adverse circumstances, but both the adverse circumstances and our thoughts are ephemeral”, and we are opposite to a philosophy, the current thought of the persons, which I consider to be erroneous. Help me to correct the problem, and this problem can be mine or his. Cabe destacar que intentare centralizarme en Nietzsche, (para mi) un gran filosofo alemán del siglo XIX que escribió grandes obras relacionadas con la metafísica. Entre uno de sus aforismos (así el lo llamaba a sus pensamientos) el que tratare será del amor en la sociedad. El decía “La mayor parte de las filosofías han sido inventadas para acomodar nuestros sentimientos a las circunstancias adversas, pero tanto las circunstancias adversas como nuestros pensamientos son efímeros”, y nosotros estamos frente a una filosofía, el actual pensamiento de las personas, que yo considero errónea. Ayúdeme a corregir el problema, y este problema puede ser el mío o el suyo.

This analysis can help a little to Friedrich's thoughts, but neither it is my end, my end is to find or to know that it is the love and as we can apply it in our society.

I recommend to him not to take conclusions of what it will do in his affectionate life until he stops reading the whole text, because it will see in the end that we will come to a conclusion magnificent and worth being applied. I do not speak to anybody personally, if anybody feels offended I will not do it, perhaps sound in this text that insulted someone but I do not do it, only I advise that to do.

1 - Analysis of our mind

It has been said that the love is the inclination of the soul towards an object or presents itself. We might not speak about the soul if it is not known with certainty that the soul exists, so we will have to make alike the soul with something that if we know with certainty. Científicamente, the mind is located in our brain, so if we have a serious exact affirmation well to analyze the mind and as the love influences her. Científicamente, la mente se ubica en nuestro cerebro, así que si tenemos una afirmación exacta seria bueno analizar la mente y como el amor influye en ella.

Our mind is divided in several psychological parts: the reasoning, our personality, the memory and the feelings. Let's say that with the reasoning we can realize mathematical operations (and much more) and the memory always keeps the numbers (and much more). Our personality defines the tastes that we have and in turn the feelings that we take opposite to certain tastes. Every taste that keeps in our memory and a feeling is processed by our awake personality. Digamos que con el razonamiento podemos realizar operaciones matemáticas (y mucho más) y la memoria guarda siempre los números (y mucho más). Nuestra personalidad define los gustos que tenemos y a su vez los sentimientos que tomamos frente a determinados gustos. Cada gusto que se guarda en nuestra memoria y es procesado por nuestra personalidad despierta un sentimiento.

All this is fixed thanks to the structure of our brain and in the course of time they are changing. We cannot choose a logical reason for which we like the things. We cannot say because we like dancing, looking at a movie, reading, etc. We when we see a woman and say “I like it” have not even the palest idea of because I like, but when they talk each other of affirmations of because “I like” the only thing that we can say it is “the structure of my brain reacts opposite to situations of a certain way”. Nietzsche affirms that what we receive there are signs that are interpreted by our brain. The combination of the above mentioned signs they produce a feeling or a reaction in our reasoning or in the personality, and it is it is that the love goes out. No podemos decir porque nos gusta bailar, mirar una película, leer, etc. Nosotros cuando vemos a una mujer y decimos “ella me gusta” no tenemos ni la mas pálida idea de porque me gusta, pero cuando se tratan de afirmaciones del porque “me gusta” lo único que podemos decir es “la estructura de mi cerebro reacciona frente a situaciones de una determinada manera”. Nietzsche afirma que lo que recibimos son señales que son interpretadas por nuestro cerebro. La combinación de dichas señales producen un sentimiento o una reacción en nuestro razonamiento o en la personalidad, y es hay que sale el amor.

2 - What is the love?

Basing that the point 1 is true, when we are opposite to a certain situation we can separate the elements that compose it. For example if we see a movie and say that we love, it will be for the performance, the direction, production, visual and sonorous effects, the history, the script, that is to say that if we like all this then we might say that “I love to this movie” or “I love this movie”. We prefer to say love to ideas or you present yourself, in some cases “I love to my guitar”, “I love to my computer”, etc. In general it is said in ideas to “I love to the science”, “for love to the art”, “for love to the life”. Then the love happens when a certain object is attended, and proseado, by our personality and his properties are separated. Every property wakes up a feeling and the combination of the above mentioned feelings they produce to the love. It is possible to be said that the combination of the properties, which form the object, is what he wakes up to the love. Preferimos decir amor a ideas o personas, en algunos casos “amo a mi guitarra”, “amo a mi computadora”, etc. Por lo general se dice en ideas a “amo a la ciencia”, “por amor al arte”, “por amor a la vida”. Entonces el amor sucede cuando un determinado objeto es presenciado, y proseado, por nuestra personalidad y son separadas sus propiedades. Cada propiedad despierta un sentimiento y la combinación de dichos sentimientos producen al amor. Se puede decir que la combinación de las propiedades, que forman al objeto, es lo que despierta al amor.

Now if the point 1 of this analysis is not true anyhow we would be coming to that the love is generated by an object that has certain properties, and his combinations wake up to the love, almost the same definition that the previous one however much the conceptions are different, but they are based on the same.

One of the conceptions that I want to quote on the love is the patrolling for Friedrich Nietzsche. The creía that the love was going over when one tries to include the good with his totality towards something and it is not obtained, “an overflowing towards something unlimited” the German philosopher was saying. Then of these properties that we speak, those of the object that attracts us, we cannot, however much we do the effort, try to include our good in its entirety. Also, Nietzche says that when we love we join all the best properties of the most wonderful and perfect things that we consider in the world, and how are you they are similar with the object it is considered to be this wonderful thing, that one slightly perfect. Entonces de esas propiedades que hablamos, las del objeto que nos atrae, no podemos, por más que hagamos el esfuerzo, tratar de abarcar nuestro bien en su totalidad. Además, Nietzche dice que cuando amamos juntamos todas las mejores propiedades de las cosas mas maravillosas y perfectas que consideramos en el mundo, y como estas son similares con el objeto es considerado como esa cosa maravillosa, ese algo perfecto.

These affirmations come to the conclusion that the feelings cheat us, and they have always done it and they are going to be demonstrated further on. And it will demonstrate also that thanks to the reasoning it has gone over to the scientific progresses and for it also the man has progressed. And we will progress in a philosophy of real love, a perfect love. Y progresaremos en una filosofía de amor real, un amor perfecto.

3 - Individuals interaction

All the individuals belonging to a society have relations or interact. The interactions can be leveled according to the influence of one towards other: the lowest level is the hate, continues the ignorance, later the tolerance, then the respect, almost in the top the love, and higher that it is the fanaticism. When the interaction level is lower, more the persons have need to move away and when it is higher, more the persons have need to approach between them. el nivel mas bajo es el odio, le sigue la ignorancia, después la tolerancia, luego el respeto, casi en la cima el amor, y el mas alto que es el fanatismo. Cuando el nivel de interacción es más bajo, más las personas tienen necesidad de alejarse y cuando es más alto, mas las personas tienen necesidad de acercarse entre ellas.

But let's suppose that the person relates #1 to the person #2. #1 he tolerates #2: and #2 also does he tolerate #1? Skylight that not, it is not necessary that two persons have the same interaction level. Two individuals will always have different interaction level and in some cases it will be equal. Claro que no, no es necesario que las dos personas tengan el mismo nivel de interacción. Siempre los dos individuos tendrán diferente nivel de interacción y en algunos casos será igual.

The society has always been interested in that we all have the same level of interaction, that is to say that if the person hates #1 to #2 of that time #2 should do it also. But we know that it is not like that, #1 he can hate #2 and #2 can love #1. In case two persons already have the same interaction level it is possible to assign a name of pairs to him. If the two are hated, they are hostile; if the two are respected they can be friends; if the two love each other they can be fiancés or lovers. We come in conclusion that if the person loves #1 to two and #2 does not love #1 then they are not fiancés. En el caso de que las dos personas tengan el mismo nivel de interacción ya se le puede asignar un nombre de pares. En el caso de si los dos se odian, son enemigos; si los dos se respetan pueden ser amigos; si los dos se aman pueden ser novios o amantes. Llegamos en conclusión que si la persona #1 ama a la dos y la #2 no ama a la #1 entonces no son novios.

The reason for which the society has been interested in that two persons have the same interaction level is because they want to go so far as to make friends or fiancés. A girl, obsesionadamente, is looking for a fiancé. It sees a boy and she says that she loves it. Then he realizes that the boy has fiancée and thinks that it is not worth while loving it. If I am interested in a fiancée looks, clearly that it is not worth while but the idea is not if I want that she is my fiancée, the idea is that I love it: and because I cannot love it? The love does not have the end of which I “get ready” with her, but I loved it. As I said it, it is not necessary that the two have the same interaction level. Ve a un chico y ella dice que lo ama. Luego se da cuenta de que el chico tiene novia y piensa que no vale la pena amarlo. Si yo estoy interesado en buscar una novia, claro que no vale la pena pero la idea no es si yo quiero que ella sea mi novia, la idea es que yo la amo, ¿y porque no puedo amarla? El amor no tiene el fin de que yo “me arregle” con ella, sino que yo la ame. Como lo dije, no es necesario que los dos tengan el mismo nivel de interacción.

4 - The request, the first stage of the process of engagement

Before continuing, I must clarify that the following points will treat on the steps to be realized to obtain the real love, the dialectical love. This name was inspired by one of Marx's thoughts, the dialectical materialism. And also before following the engagement is more known as arreglamiento or when two persons “get ready”. This expression means that two persons have agreed in establishing a fiancés' relation. Example: Martín got ready with Victory. Y también antes de seguir el noviazgo es mas conocido como arreglamiento o cuando dos personas “se arreglan”. Esa expresión significa que dos personas han estado de acuerdo en establecer una relación de novios. Ejemplo: Martín se arreglo con Victoria.

First we are going to study the current behavior between pairs of fiancés. Many persons believe that having a love is essential for the life and believe it because they are self-centered. We always have inside our heart, however much we do not realize, a self-centered being. When I say “to be self-centered” I refer to that we all have our own world, but we cannot say that our world includes all the rest of every person. For example I can live in the world of the computer science, but the fact that I was living in this world it does not mean that they all have to belong to. In the only moments happened in that we all belong to the same world it is when it is a question of the world of the society. The world of the society can have several in turn in which if we all belong, from the political point of view up to the religious point of view; but we will see the social point of view, as it is the world of the love in the society. Siempre tenemos dentro de nuestro corazón, por mas que no nos demos cuenta, a un ser egocéntrico. Cuando digo “ser egocéntrico” me refiero a que todos tenemos nuestro propio mundo, pero no podemos decir que nuestro mundo abarca a todos los demás de cada persona. Por ejemplo yo puedo vivir en el mundo de la informática, pero el hecho de que yo vivía en ese mundo no significa que todos tengan que pertenecer a el. En los únicos momentos dados en el que todos pertenecemos a un mismo mundo es cuando se trata del mundo de la sociedad. El mundo de la sociedad puede tener varios a su vez en el cual si todos pertenecemos, desde el punto de vista político hasta el punto de vista religioso; pero nosotros veremos el punto de vista social, como es el mundo del amor en la sociedad.

The process of current engagement is based on the following steps:

First the boy asks him to get ready with her.

The boy will say that the mistress with the whole heart and he will say his reasons.

If the girl accepts the proposition of the boy, then they kiss and they are fiancés.

As it rules the girl cannot ask the boy that the two should be fiancés. Why this rule? There is no logical and understandable reason for the human being. This type of rules is like those that the church was raising and he was Galileo Galilei, across scientific investigations, which perfectly I affirm his ideological falsities. That's why I decided to define to the love as our mind and not with the concept soul. And I think that what I realize is a scientific analysis. I have not found a complete reason of because the girl cannot ask the boy for arrangement but I believe that there is another type of attitudes that the two should do. No hay una razón lógica y entendible para el ser humano. Este tipo de reglas son como las que planteaba la iglesia y fue Galileo Galilei, a través de investigaciones científicas, que perfectamente afirmo sus falsedades ideológicas. Por eso decidí definir al amor según nuestra mente y no con el concepto alma. Y yo considero que lo que estoy realizando es un análisis científico. Yo no he encontrado una razón cabal del porque la chica no puede pedir arreglo al chico, pero creo que hay otro tipo de actitudes que los dos deberían hacer.

For example the girl if he wants can ask the boy for arrangement. Denying that she should offer his love and to ask of other is to deny the love that it offers and the love for that he asks. That is to say that if she does not want to ask for arrangement, then it means of that she does not love it, but if it it loves that it demonstrates it. So the first step would be that one of the two will have to ask for arrangement and demonstrate his intentions, of giving the first step without nobody it preventing. Es decir que si ella no quiere pedir arreglo, entonces significa de que ella no lo ama, pero si lo ama que lo demuestre. Así que el primer paso seria que uno de los dos deberá pedir arreglo y demostrar sus intenciones, de dar el primer paso sin que nadie se lo impida.

5 - Explanation process

This is the most delicate event in which many have committed errors and in a deplorable way they have obtained (or not) to get ready with his couple.

Why do I say “in a deplorable way”? because some of them have gone so far as to form his couple for 4 months, and in this time then he realized that it was not worth while and that in fact it did not love it.

Friedrich was saying that we all were thinking about loving this person and that, on having believed that we wanted it also, we believed that this was the solution to my needs, because it was the most next thing to my feelings.

Now I will raise 4 cases, there are many in particular but I would like generalizing a little:

I marry 1: "I love you because sos beautiful and I want to get ready with you”.

I marry 2: "I need you, I need you”.

I marry 3: "I think that sos a wonderful person and that's why I want to get ready with you”.

I marry 4 so beautiful: "Sos and good person that I would like being next to you and to help you”.

Between these cases it is necessary to know that he asks to do: Which of these is the one that would come to the success? I would say that 2 not, but this is not the question that I want: Which of these is more sincere? In fact I can think that they all are sincere. What question do I have to do to myself? Let's return to the point three: we said that the love does not have the end of coming to the engagement, but of loving, and that it was not necessary that two persons love each other. Then the question that I have to rise to myself it is: which of the four loves really?, I would say, having our concept of well clear love, that 4. The case two is very notable since it is not offered, but he asks. The case 1 is very superficial, alone it worries for beautiful that is and that get ready. The case 3 is acceptable, but insufficient to be a perfect love, since these cases do not come to the maximum love scale, because it keeps on being “for me”. The case 4 differs towards the others because the boy does not do it for the same one, but for his love, that is to say it gets ready for her. Yo diría que el 2 no, pero esta no es la pregunta que yo quiero ¿Cuál de estos es mas sincero? En realidad puedo pensar que todos son sinceros. ¿Qué pregunta me tengo que hacer? Volvamos al punto tres: dijimos que el amor no tiene el fin de llegar al noviazgo, sino de amar, y que no era necesario que las dos personas se amen. Entonces la pregunta que me tengo que hacer es ¿cuál de los cuatro ama de verdad?, yo diría, teniendo nuestro concepto de amor bien claro, que el 4. El caso dos es muy notable ya que no se ofrece, sino que pide. El caso 1 es muy superficial, solo se preocupa por lo hermosa que es y que se arreglen. El caso 3 es aceptable, pero insuficiente para ser un amor perfecto, ya que estos casos no llegan a la escala máxima de amor, porque sigue siendo el “para mí”. El caso 4 se distingue hacia los demás porque el chico no lo hace por el mismo, sino que por su amor, es decir se arregla por ella.

For those that do not agree with the point 3 of this analysis of that time there him goes another concept that is according to this end. “Manage” or “to get ready” or I "need" (for the worst cases) only they come to the self-centered and egoistic minds. These cases happen in the persons who need it for them and not for the one that they love. When the boy says to him “I love You” and the girl is equal to, it means that the boy loves himself if the same and not to another different person to. These relations, if they are successful, are as if two mirrors were facing and his images are infinite interminable self-centered images, in a vicious circle of the bad concept of unification, which will treat it further on. If in the case 4 that we raise in this point the boy does not achieve his assignment, getting ready with the girl, should not feel bad for several things: the es the center of the world as to solve all the problems, talvez the girl thinks that it could not make her feel good, and on the other hand the girl is not necessary that loves it to, since if he feels bad because they do not love it, then it would be one of those self-centered who want that he is fine everything and that they love it, and for that the boy should earlier love himself the same one and would not love the girl who wanted to help. Estos casos se dan en las personas que lo necesitan para ellos y no para el que aman. Cuando el chico le dice “Te amo” y la chica es igual a el, significa que el chico se ama a si mismo y no a otra persona diferente a el. Estas relaciones, si tienen éxito, son como si dos espejos se enfrentasen y sus imágenes sean infinitas imágenes egocéntricas inacabables, en un círculo vicioso del mal concepto de unificación, que lo tratare mas adelante. Si en el caso 4 que planteamos en este punto el chico no logra su cometido, el arreglarse con la chica, el no debería sentirse mal por varias cosas: el no es el centro del mundo como para solucionar todos los problemas, talvez la chica piensa que el no pueda hacerla sentir bien, y por otro lado la chica no es necesario que lo ame a el, ya que si el se siente mal porque no lo aman, entonces seria uno de esos egocéntricos que quieren que todo le vaya bien y que lo amen, y para eso el chico debería antes amarse a el mismo y no amaría a la chica que quiso ayudar.

In this process what it imports is the sincerity, the humanity, and especially the value to accept what we are and not to push us back, and also to praise us and on valuing us.

6 - The unification, final stage of the arrangement.

It is understood by unification of which the two are one: and how? How is it possible that 2 are 1? It might be said that "spiritually" the two are one when they have similar characteristics. And clear that they are like one, because if I love her and she is equal to me it is as if I was loving myself myself being one. As if two mirrors were facing and creating the only concept, the only image forming to the infinite egoism, as I said it in the point 5 of this analysis. Podría decirse que “espiritualmente” los dos son uno cuando tienen características similares. Y claro que son como uno, porque si yo amo a ella y ella es igual a mi es como si yo me amara a mi mismo siendo uno. Como si dos espejos se enfrentaran y crearan un único concepto, una única imagen formando al infinito egocentrismo, como lo dije en el punto 5 de este análisis.

The unification I understand it like union. The union does not mean one, but "joined", because one speaks about together independent two. According to theories of the physicist and the chemist, two types of charges exist: denial and print. For law, the denial attracts forces, and the print sends forces. That is to say that a negative load attracts to another print. But equal the two repel the being, separate, since the denial attracts to the print and cannot attract other one of the same load, that is to say that if they are different is attracted. Según teorías de la física y la química, existen dos tipos de cargas: negativa y positiva. Por ley, la negativa atrae fuerzas, y la positiva envía fuerzas. Es decir que una carga negativa atrae a otra positiva. Pero al ser iguales las dos se repelen, se separan, ya que la negativa atrae a la positiva y no puede atraer a otra de la misma carga, es decir que si son diferentes se atraen.

To which all this comes, if we said that to love to other we must not love each other ourselves, then we must love to different someone. If we love someone who is equal to us, then we are loving each other us, creating a species of: separation? Or union? The fact is that if there is a unification, a force between the two, but in whom it affects by implication it is in us, on having loved equal someone, this affection bounces towards us however much we do not realize. On having loved myself, I do not love myself to the others, do not love not my own fiancée (if it is that she is my fiancée). Then they are not fiancés, alone sound a pair of persons who sentimentally are joined, and we speak already about the bad effects of the human feeling. About this world it is necessary to think even to love. ¿separación? ¿O unión? Es que si hay una unificación, una fuerza entre los dos, pero en quien incide indirectamente es en nosotros mismos, al amar a alguien igual ese afecto rebota hacia nosotros por más que no nos demos cuenta. Al amarme a mi mismo no amo a los demás, no amo ni a mi propia novia (si es que es mi novia). Entonces no son novios, solo son un par de personas que sentimentalmente están unidas, y ya hablamos de los malos efectos del sentimiento humano. En este mundo hay que pensar hasta para amar.

7 - The engagement stage in our epoch

This stage is when definitive and definitely they are fiancés as it was we who define. Now when if it must matter it is the dealing between them. First I will criticize to the current cases, then we will speak about the step that we must continue. Primero criticare a los casos actuales, luego hablaremos del paso que nosotros debemos seguir.

There are completely obsessive cases, that is to say that I am always thinking about my love. Perhaps the life without love would be monotonous? There are persons who only think about his couple and do not think about other things that surround them. This is not a love, this is a fanaticism, an extreme feeling. The problem of being fanatics makes us self-centered also, because only we think about what it is we who like and nobody contradicts us, beyond that the fanaticism is the highest feeling that a person could have. There can be like examples couples that leave his studies for his love. The dialectical love looks for the worry towards other, taking also into consideration if other loves us, but to worry us more for loving, and if other loves us then that the couple forms. Hay personas que solo piensan en su pareja y no piensan en las demás cosas que las rodean. Eso no es amor, eso es fanatismo, un sentimiento extremo. El problema de ser fanáticos nos hace egocéntricos también, porque solo pensamos en lo que nos gusta a nosotros y nadie nos contradice, más allá de que el fanatismo es el sentimiento más alto que pueda tener una persona. Puede haber como ejemplos parejas que dejan sus estudios por su amor. El amor dialéctico busca la preocupación hacia el otro, tomando también en cuenta si el otro nos ama, pero preocuparnos mas por amar, y si el otro nos ama entonces que se forme la pareja.

Later there are unfavorable and self-centered cases that, however much they seal to the dialectical love exactly, are always showing or forcing to the world to have a couple. For example, I like the computers, the world of the computer science fascinates me, but for it I am not going to force to half a world to which they handle a PC. For me this one would be good, but alone to the service of this world those who want. In case of the engagement also. One of the self-centered and racial conceptions is that we all are equal, a beginning that I think that it is of the discrimination. And this is what is seen in our society, and the societies of the whole world, the obligation to have a couple and has not been respected that anybody does not have it, this horrible conceptions competition. Para mi seria bueno, pero solo esta al servicio de este mundo los que quieran. En el caso del noviazgo también. Una de las concepciones egocéntricas y raciales es que todos seamos iguales, un principio que yo considero que es de la discriminación. Y eso es lo que se ve en nuestra sociedad, y las sociedades de todo el mundo, la obligación de tener una pareja y no se ha respetado que alguien no la tenga, esa horrible competencia de concepciones.

Another case would be that of the sweetness. The jealous persons love his couple, but they do not accept that others like her or that she likes others. Let's suppose that the jealous es and she also. When she goes to a dance, then he asks him: “where were you? What did you do?”, all this generating the suspicion of towards her. When the two do not entrust themselves, it means that the acepta what she does. Then all this makes it also self-centered, again loving itself the same one very by implication, and also if I am not trusting, neither I love it, only I want that it is next to me like a slave obeying my thirsty and covetous orders. Supongamos que el es celoso y ella también. Cuando ella va a un baile, el luego le pregunta “¿a dónde fuiste? ¿Qué hiciste?”, todo esto generando la desconfianza de el hacia ella. Cuando los dos no se confían, significa que el no acepta lo que ella hace. Entonces todo esto lo hace también egocéntrico, nuevamente amándose a el mismo muy indirectamente, y además si no estoy confiando, tampoco la estoy amando, solo quiero que este a mi lado como un esclavo obedeciendo mis sedientas y codiciosas ordenes.

We have already seen like our dear couples, and some of our attitudes, they do not make us love in a suitable way. Also we have in clear that we are not opposite to rules, laws or obligations, but there are options. Only I say that if they want to love really and accept the dialectical love they should keep on reading this book, otherwise you do what he wants, it is his love and his life, if it is that he believes it. Solo digo que si quieren amar de verdad y aceptar el amor dialéctico sigan leyendo este libro, de lo contrario usted haga lo que quiera, es su amor y su vida, si es que lo cree.

8 - The dialectical love, which I prefer

Finally we have come to what we always wanted and that I wanted, the answer to all the questions: how must I love my fiancée?

You can love it how you want, any time that you love it. This is “a liberal love”, he bets on the tolerance and the absolute respect towards the couple. This means that I love so much my fiancée that I leave that it does what he wants, because I love this person as it is in his natural, free ambience like a bird, not as I want tied to the neck like a dog. It is supposed that with this philosophy if I make that it makes what he wants, which is free, of that time that means that it can love several persons and not only to one. The fact that let's want that only it loves us it is a celosidad symptom, we already saw the topic. Esto significa que amo tanto a mi novia que dejo que haga lo que quiera, porque yo amo a esa persona como es en su ambiente natural, libre como un ave, no como yo quiero atada al cuello como un perro. Se supone que con esta filosofía si dejo que haga lo que quiera, que sea libre, entonces eso significa que puede amar a varias personas y no solo a una. El hecho de que queramos que solo nos ame a nosotros es un síntoma de celosidad, ya vimos el tema.

The dialectical love is the little that we saw till now. The dialectical love bets on the sincerity, the respect to the couple, the tolerance and the reasoning. East differs from the liberal love because bet to be less materialistic than the liberal. When I say materialist against all the actions like the sex. The same is not a sexual need that love, there are two different things. Nietzsche raises it this way, I compare it with biological needs, the sexual one with the nutritive one. When we eat we satisfy the need to eat, but the taste of this meal does not influence very much the nutritive part, because he has eaten that nobody likes but anyhow it feeds. The case of the sex is similar, the same is not a love that sex. But on having treated a person like sexual object, I do not treat it like person, and this makes me self-centered without it being important for me what it happens to him or as I consider other one. But the liberal love takes the person as a body and a mind, the dialectical one the person is the mind. Este se diferencia del amor liberal porque apuesta a ser menos materialista que el liberal. Cuando digo materialista contra todas las acciones como el sexo. No es lo mismo necesidad sexual que amor, son dos cosas diferentes. Nietzsche lo plantea así, la comparo con necesidades biológicas, la sexual con la alimenticia. Cuando comemos satisfacemos la necesidad de comer, pero el gusto de esa comida no influye mucho en la parte alimenticia, porque hay comidas que a nadie le gusta pero de todos modos alimenta. El caso del sexo es similar, no es lo mismo amor que sexo. Pero al tratar a una persona como objeto sexual no la trato como persona, y esto me hace egocéntrico sin que me importe lo que le pase o como considero a la otra. Pero el amor liberal toma a la persona como cuerpo y mente, el dialéctico la persona es la mente.

The problem between dialectical and liberal love is that they are so perfect that the two stay like optional and they would go according to the tastes of each one. The two bet to improve our feelings, but the dialectical love is more directed to the human value like person, and the liberal defending the rights of each of us as free persons. That's why I support a theory of which there exists an union of the best applied parts of the dialectical love to the liberal love, a different love, to wound to the “real love”. Por eso sostengo una teoría de que existe una unión de las mejores partes aplicadas del amor dialéctico al amor liberal, un amor diferente, llagar al “amor real”.

The real love looks for the defense of our values, the being free with a freedom that must be a mulberry tree, respecting the others. As real lovers we must be against the will of other, it is a clash between oppressive and oppressed. It is a struggle of the right of freedom, who deserves it and who not. But this is the solution that I think, for what I look is this real love. Es una lucha del derecho de libertad, quien se la merece y quien no. Pero esta es la solución que yo pienso, lo que busco es este amor real.

The pure love, which I define like irrational, that of feeling, which only turns us away towards a contradictory world since it has a contradictory philosophy, is that we all see every day of every year of our life. This love makes us "believe" that we love the persons, always bearing in mind that they must love us. Since it is something so pretty, it sees like something so ugly simultaneously. It is like the beer, talvez it will be rich but great it is dangerous. It is a completely antisocial love, which it restricts to the human activity to only the love, to which it is be the nucleus of our lives. Como es algo tan lindo, se ve como algo tan feo a la vez. Es como la cerveza, talvez será rica pero mucha es peligrosa. Es un amor completamente antisocial, que restringe a la actividad humana a solo el amor, a que este sea el núcleo de nuestras vidas.

Now when I propose in this point the fact is that the pure love is an antisocial, corrupting feeling, which only he thinks about what we want and not about what we must do. The real love looks that the man forms as such, not like a marionette handled by other things, but it is something free, which has dignity, which one can value the man and the woman like lovers, come to the point of the real love.

9 - The influence of the art and the love in the society

The art does not say anything to us about the reality, but he says to us what we feel in fact, not that we feel to the reality. Some of the contemporary artists have transmitted this in an erroneous way, have said that we should allow ourselves to take for our senses. This can be a tendency to the egoism of the idea that “I feel to the reality”. Esta puede ser una tendencia al egocentrismo de la idea que “yo siento a la realidad”.

If we are going to speak about art we must speak that is the art. Scout McCloud defined to the art like all the actions that the man realizes without being a survival and reproduction. All these actions would be to express our feelings. I do not want to include the scientific investigation, since they are used not only to know, but also to survive, and it is learned to be able to survive. But we might center on investigating more our feelings, which it is another topic. We have from sounds, images, corporal movements, up to words. For that there is a series of events that the art has considered to symbolize. For example we see a resemblance between the colors with our feelings and ambiences: the red one with the passion, the anger; the green with the serenity or happiness; the yellow one of energy, value, light, happiness; the blue shaded and Gothic ambiences; target is a pure soul, the good; black is a sinister and malignant soul, the evil. What we see is a study of how interpreting our feelings. Then: perhaps the art will not be a science? Todas estas acciones serian expresar nuestros sentimientos. No deseo incluir la investigación científica, ya que se usan no solo para saber, sino que también para sobrevivir, y se aprende para poder sobrevivir. Pero podríamos centrarnos más en investigar nuestros sentimientos, que es otro tema. Tenemos desde sonidos, imágenes, movimientos corporales, hasta palabras. Para eso hay una serie de acontecimientos que el arte ha considerado simbolizar. Por ejemplo vemos una semejanza entre los colores con nuestros sentimientos y ambientes: el rojo con la pasión, la ira; el verde con la serenidad o felicidad; el amarillo de energía, valor, luz, alegría; el azul ambientes sombríos y góticos; blanco es alma pura, el bien; negro es alma siniestra y maligna, el mal. Lo que vemos es un estudio de cómo interpretar nuestros sentimientos. Entonces, ¿acaso el arte no será una ciencia?

Let's speak about science: the science is all that that the man has studied and investigated. For example if we speak about the properties of different bodies, we speak about physics. If we speak about the properties of the numbers, we speak about arithmetic. But if we speak about literature, the literature is not a science, it is an art, because the literature studies like interpreting the feelings across the words (and not alone feelings, but situations). There has been the difference between art and science. The target of the science is to survive, to know, to investigate the reality in which we live; the art to feel the reality in which we live. In any art there is a science, but that does not mean that the art is to survive. It is included to the science in the art so that it survives the effect of the above mentioned art in our minds. Por ejemplo si hablamos de las propiedades de diferentes cuerpos, hablamos de física. Si hablamos de las propiedades de los números, hablamos de aritmética. Pero si hablamos de literatura, la literatura no es una ciencia, es un arte, porque la literatura estudia como interpretar los sentimientos a través de las palabras (y no solo sentimientos, sino que situaciones). Se ha encontrado la diferencia entre arte y ciencia. El objetivo de la ciencia es para sobrevivir, para saber, para investigar la realidad en que vivimos; el arte para sentir la realidad en que vivimos. En todo arte hay una ciencia, pero eso no significa que el arte es para sobrevivir. Se incluye a la ciencia en el arte para que sobreviva el efecto de dicho arte en nuestras mentes.

We know that there is a big difference between knowledge and to feel. If we were depending on what we feel, we would be lost in the world of the concepts. The man has always been lost in the world of the senses. Nietzsche considered the artists to be those who remove us from the reality. The musician is a clear example, it is the one that more removes us from the reality, it is the one that cheats us. And it is the one that enjoys his success, gaining our wealths and attention, moving away from her, handling perfectly our lives. Then the music has the clear meaning of the pure diversion, and the people only think about diversion. El hombre siempre ha estado perdido en el mundo de los sentidos. Nietzsche califico a los artistas como los que nos alejan de la realidad. El músico es un ejemplo claro, es el que mas nos aleja de la realidad, es el que nos engaña. Y es el que goza de su éxito, ganando nuestras riquezas y atención, alejándonos de ella, manejando perfectamente nuestras vidas. Luego la música tiene el claro significado de la pura diversión, y la gente solo piensa en diversión.

Then there are the cases of the musicians that there represent persons who only say “I love You and need you” in most of his topics, supporting to the egoism of the persons. That's why the masses that continue to these ideologies alone want to dominate and to have everything, and this is in the dances, an antisocial art. This type of art is the root of the problem of the pure love, an erroneous love. Este tipo de arte es la raíz del problema del amor puro, un amor erróneo.

10 - Materialistic love

The superficial influence towards our feelings is (regrettably) the first symptom of love that we believe. In fact what is a superficial sound the sexual basic needs. The liberal love, which exists in our society and is well, bets on the free sex and it is quite superficial. He does not realize so well that the liberal does not have the magic touch of the dialectical one. It can be said that the materialistic love is the type of love that we see and that we say that it is false. But it is a love, an almost erroneous love. El amor liberal, que existe en nuestra sociedad y esta bien, apuesta al libre sexo y es bastante superficial. Pues claro que el liberal no tiene el toque mágico del dialéctico. Puede decirse que el amor materialista es el tipo de amor que vemos y que decimos que es falso. Pero es un amor, un amor casi erróneo.

For example I fall in love with a girl who has a car and a big house, and fall in love because the girl has these objects. In the liberal love this this good, it is more it is possible to be said that the materialistic love is a part of the liberal love. The pure love also accepted this type of love. El amor puro también acepta este tipo de amor.

In the dialectical one the materialistic love is not very completely real. If we begin thinking, if we take from the girl his car it keeps on being the same, it was always the same but we believed that earlier it was different and now it does not have this value. And if we start thinking, if I do not like it now because she does not have his car, it means that I was a self-centered one that was interested for an object that was satisfying me. We are falling in love with the person, not with his objects. The materialistic love thinks that the objects are a part of the dear person, and then the love towards this person is similar to the love of the objects that surrounds it. And it is considered that one loves the person therefore it has, although I do not love it therefore it has, but for what it is, and there is a difference between being and having. Y si nos ponemos a pensar, si ella no me agrada ahora porque no tiene su auto, significa que fui un egocéntrico que estaba interesado por un objeto que me satisfacía a mí. Nosotros nos estamos enamorando de la persona, no de sus objetos. El amor materialista piensa que los objetos son parte de la persona amada, y luego el amor hacia esta persona es similar al amor de los objetos que la rodea. Y se considera que se ama a la persona por lo que tiene, aunque no la amo por lo que tiene, sino por lo que es, y hay una diferencia entre ser y tener.

But the problem is if in fact we love the person who is surrounded by objects. If we believe that the person is of a way with these objects it is because we feel it, and the feelings cheat us in that, and if we think we see that we fall in love with his objects.

Scout McCloud studied the reaction of the persons opposite to objects that they use. As for example when we put ourselves a cap, when we use glasses, a pencil, we are simulating to have extremities, objects that are a part of us. But in fact they it are not, everything is generated by our damned feelings that cheat us as Nietzsche said it. Our foibles are the feelings, and it is necessary to be attentive in as they attack them and to defend them with the reasoning. Pero en realidad no lo son, todo es generado por nuestros malditos sentimientos que nos engañan como lo dijo Nietzsche. Nuestros puntos débiles son los sentimientos, y hay que estar atentos en como los atacan y defenderlos con el razonamiento.

11 - The kiss, symbol of love

We did not say when a fiancés' relation goes so far as to arrange. Now a kiss costs everything, in a relation the kiss is never going to be missing. The kiss is used to symbolize the love that we deliver to a person. Perhaps the kiss is a love? Se utiliza el beso para simbolizar al amor que le entregamos a una persona. ¿Acaso el beso es amor?

There are persons who cannot kiss his couple for certain reasons and there are others who do not want (like me). Not only I want to criticize to the kiss, but to any act related with.

It might be said that there are two types of kisses that we know the adolescents for the names of “peak“ and “really”. The peak is simply with the lips closing the mouth. Really it is when the lips of two mouths are opened, they join and then the languages take contact as the lips. One believes that it is "really" because he feels different from the peak. The peak seems to be more emotive, but in fact it is not at all because you do not feel anything. Only for these crazy minds for the passion they get excited for such an action. El de verdad es cuando los labios de las dos bocas son abiertos, se juntan y luego las lenguas toman contacto como los labios. Se cree que es “de verdad” porque se siente diferente al pico. El pico parece ser más emotivo, pero en realidad no es nada porque no sentís nada. Solo para esas mentes locas por la pasión se emocionan por tal acción.

But what if really it is something passionate is the kiss really, already one feels the sexuality in a high level like when we make love. It is more I consider to the kiss really like a sexual act. Not only the sexólogos consider it, if we compare when love is made take contact two organs, the penis and the vagina, in turn in the kiss really also they take contact two organs, two languages. And that's why he is baptized like the kiss really, because also one believes that in spite of making love there is passing the whole real love, the love that it is not possible to explain not in words. Will never be able to know all that loves other to us, we do not know what he thinks, but we know more how it was we who think, and about that we must worry. That's why I think that there should exist the free sex and the prostitutes, this way they generate income to the nation with his tantalizing bodies. No solo los sexólogos lo consideran, si comparamos cuando se hace el amor toman contacto dos órganos, el pene y la vagina, a su vez en el beso de verdad también toman contacto dos órganos, las dos lenguas. Y es por eso que se le bautiza como el beso de verdad, porque también se cree que con hacer el amor se esta pasando todo el verdadero amor, el amor que no se puede explicar ni en palabras. Nunca podremos saber cuanto nos ama el otro, no sabemos lo que piensa, pero sabemos más como pensamos nosotros, y de eso nos debemos preocupar. Por eso considero que debería existir el sexo libre y las prostitutas, así generan ingresos a la nación con sus tentadores cuerpos.

And speak already about the confusion of sex and love, as in the sex we feel this tremendous sensation, one believes that it is a love. And the love has not anything in common with the sexual stimulus.

12 - Definitions and concrete conclusions

The current world has been corrupted by self-centered artists who have consumed our big wealths: the exchange means. One is the money and other the respect, and thanks to them the humanity can survive, but if them others remain … … Those that have ruined our lives deserve to live in the darkness, but these that light us are those who have the light that gives him meaning to our lives. Uno es el dinero y el otro el respeto, y gracias a ellos la humanidad puede sobrevivir, pero si se los quedan otros…… Esos que han arruinado nuestras vidas merecen vivir en la oscuridad, pero esos que nos alumbran son los que tienen la luz que le da significado a nuestras vidas.

Here there go some definitions that we have seen. There are ways of loving that they exist at present.

Pure love: it is the one that we feel, the one that we always see, the one that goes out of the fund of the heart and of our biggest tastes. It is which is suffered, which is pretty and simultaneously it is horrible and painful. Only tenes a couple, tenés that to kiss it every day and to see it every day. If you do not manage to arrange you, tenes that in the possible thing to cut the veins with a handsaw. You feel that tenes that to be next to her forever. Es el cual se sufre, el que es lindo y a la vez es horrible y doloroso. Solo tenes una pareja, tenés que besarla todos los días y verla todos los días. Si no conseguís arreglarte, tenes que en lo posible cortarte las venas con un serrucho. Sentís que tenes que estar al lado de ella para siempre.

Liberal love: it loves itself for any reason, you are not limited to anything, prune to have unlimited couples. It is not possible to be jealous, if you do not trust already in your couple then it is necessary to cut. No se puede estar celoso, si ya no confías en tu pareja entonces hay que cortar.

Material love: he is born of the cigar and of the liberal. It is when only you approach the girl for his superficial delight, like his body or the objects that surround it. Es cuando solo te acercas a la chica por sus encantos superficiales, como su cuerpo o los objetos que la rodean.

I kiss: act of kissing, when two persons join his mouths to express it all that they love each other, to feel between them his passions.

Another thing that it is worth while clarifying is that the man must approach the woman to ask for arrangement. There is no person in the world that fiancée does not want to have. They all must have a couple: who would not have it? Those who do not want. Todos deben tener una pareja, ¿quién no la tendría? Los que no quieren.

In the life everything is important, but the love is not the most important thing. The most important thing is to live and to allow to live.

13 - Final words about the dialectical love and real love

I have dedicated my life to solve problems, I like to do it for fun, and is here a big social problem that we have loaded from the beginning of the human civilizations that dominate this ground. This problem now I have already solved it and exhibit the solution and the answer to the big question that I have taken in the trip of this text: how must we love our couple? ¿cómo debemos amar a nuestra pareja?

The dialectical love is the option. I define to dialectical love like a way of thinking, how we must love. In this analysis we have seen as it is necessary to do it. What it imports is to love, it does not import if you get ready or not, but loving is something that we must not leave. Before getting ready, we must know if we love in a correct way, if we love the girl or the boy because we want to help it or only we love it because we need it. If I need it, then I worry more for me that for this person, beginning of the egoism. I do not propose the esclavización and the possession of another person, propose the dedication towards her. But not to the absolute dedication, inside the love the most important thing is your couple, but in the life the most important thing the love is not, there are other things to be done in this world. En este análisis hemos visto como se debe hacerlo. Lo que importa es amar, no importa si te arregles o no, pero amar es algo que no debemos dejar. Antes de arreglarnos debemos saber si amamos de la manera correcta, si amamos a la chica o al chico porque queremos ayudarlo o solo lo amamos porque lo necesitamos. Si yo la necesito, entonces me preocupo más por mí que por esa persona, principio del egocentrismo. No propongo la esclavización y la posesión de la otra persona, propongo la dedicación hacia ella. Pero no a la dedicación absoluta, dentro del amor lo más importante es tu pareja, pero en la vida lo más importante no es el amor, hay otras cosas que hacer en este mundo.

The dialectical love is alone a process that applied, materialist and cigar, turns the liberal into real love. It is the solution, it is the end of the way, and here this my conclusion. For it we must see the errors that there are in others supposed ways of loving. It is the correct way of loving, thinking and without feeling. Para ello debemos ver los errores que hay en las otras supuestas maneras de amar. Es la manera correcta de amar, pensando y no sintiendo.

Let's criticize to the materialistic love, more easily to do it. What it spends is that you do not love the person, but you love yourself straight to you.

It touches the pure love. The bad thing is that you do not worry for another person, you worry for you, you are thinking about loving it but in fact you do not love it, you are generating a such egoism that you are thinking about knowing everything, even of yourself. And that is given by the absence of logic that you have generated. Nietzsche was saying that our feelings cheat us, and it is true. Y eso es dado por la falta de lógica que has generado. Nietzsche decía que nuestros sentimientos nos engañan, y es verdad.

Now the shift is of the liberal love worried for the any reason of loving. It is true, but it is necessary to think a little more. Is to love a person for me, a reason to love other one? A reason can be that she has a car, or a spectacular body. There are things that serve to me. It can be another reason that needs it for obligation, what the self-centered society forces me, you of dicen “Tenes that to have fiancée if or if”, and you get ready with anyone to suit with the society. But it does not get ready if they force it one, we get ready if our brain forces us. ¿Amar a una persona por mi, es razón para amar a la otra? Una razón puede ser que ella tenga un auto, o un cuerpo espectacular. Son cosas que me sirven a mí. Puede ser la otra razón que la necesite por obligación, lo que me obliga la sociedad egocéntrica, te de dicen “Tenes que tener novia si o si”, y te arreglas con cualquiera para quedar bien con la sociedad. Pero no se arregla si a uno lo obligan, nos arreglamos si nuestro cerebro nos obliga.

And this way the fact is that we come to the real love, to the love for that we were waiting. To come to it the dialectical love he proposes the elimination of the egoism, of the love towards one himself, of the individualism, of the materialism inside the love, we must think appropriately.

Someone will say “But you have no feelings”. I have them, but they are used, to be thought, than to do, that I must feel. The one that says that I have no feelings is the same that car praises for thinking about having better feelings than others. I can think also that me car I praise because I am thinking about having a level of high reasoning. The feelings are not leveled, the reasoning is leveled. The memory also is leveled, but to the personality not, although our personality depends about how we think, as we should reason. It will depend that someone falls in love with us thanks to our reasoning. I do not say an intelligent person of many studies, there is a difference between knowledge and to think. It is possible to win the love of two things: of the reasoning or of the personality. El que dice que no tengo sentimientos es el mismo que se auto elogia por creer tener mejores sentimientos que otros. Puedo considerar también que me auto elogio porque creo tener un nivel de razonamiento alto. Los sentimientos no se nivelan, se nivela el razonamiento. La memoria también se nivela, pero a la personalidad no, aunque nuestra personalidad depende de cómo pensemos, como razonemos. Dependerá que alguien se enamore de nosotros gracias a nuestro razonamiento. No digo una persona inteligente de muchos estudios, hay una diferencia entre saber y pensar. Se puede enamorar de dos cosas: del razonamiento o de la personalidad.

And as I say not to love us, say to love other, which is different from me.

Someone wonders: can it in the dialectical love love one or more persons? It is very difficult that one loves two persons, only that those are equal. Theoretically when I see two different persons it is possible to be said that I love them in different way, a more than other one. But in turn if the properties of the two are different, and his sum gives me that at two o'clock I give them the same love level, it is probable, but alone it goes over to a study. In conclusion: it can have to more of one if one loves all these persons at the same level. It is easy to cheat the others, but we cannot deceive ourselves us, because I prefer that the fault goes out of me before having her buried in my mind. Es muy difícil que se ame a dos personas, solo que esas sean iguales. En teoría cuando veo a dos personas diferentes se puede decir que las amo de diferente manera, una más que la otra. Pero a su vez si las propiedades de las dos son diferentes, y su suma me da que a las dos les doy un mismo nivel de amor, es probable, pero solo se llega a un estudio. En conclusión: se puede tener a más de una si se ama a todas esas personas con el mismo nivel. Es fácil engañar a los demás, pero no podemos engañarnos a nosotros, porque prefiero que la culpa salga de mi antes que tenerla enterrada en mi mente.

//eulices mulberry trees 
6 October 2008 at 10:21 pm

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